Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/23/2007 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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+= HB 158 PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS/AGENCIES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 164 OCEAN RANGERS & REPORTING VESSEL LOCATION TELECONFERENCED
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 45 STATE VETERANS' CEMETERY & FUND TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 45(MLV) Out of Committee
+= HB 88 TVS AND MONITORS IN MOTOR VEHICLES TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Postponed>
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 23, 2007                                                                                           
                         1:42 P.M.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer called the House  Finance Committee meeting to                                                                   
order at 1:42:25 PM.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Mary Nelson                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Thomas Jr.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  David   Guttenberg;  Tim  Martinson,   Staff,                                                                   
Representative Bob  Roses; Tres Lewis, Private  Investigator,                                                                   
Mendenhall  Investigations,  Inc.,   Juneau;  Dana  Krawchuk,                                                                   
Staff,  Representative   David   Guttenberg;    Rick   Urion,                                                                   
Director, Division  of Occupational Licensing,  Department of                                                                   
Community & Economic Development                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Denise  Petty, President,  Alaska Investigation  Association,                                                                   
Fairbanks;  Joseph  Austin,  Austin   &  Associates,  Private                                                                   
Investigator, Anchorage; Dana  Nachtrieb, Veterens of Foreign                                                                   
Wars (VFW),  Fairbanks; Harry Fields, Vice  President, Alaska                                                                   
Native Veteran's Association, Fairbanks                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 45     An Act authorizing the Department of Military and                                                                     
          Veterans' Affairs to establish and maintain Alaska                                                                    
          veterans' cemeteries; and establishing the Alaska                                                                     
          veterans' cemetery fund in the general fund.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          CS HB 45 (MLV) was reported out of Committee with                                                                     
          a "do pass" recommendation and with zero notes #1                                                                     
          & #2 by the Department of Administration and                                                                          
          indeterminate note #3 by the Department of                                                                            
          Military & Veterans Affairs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 88     An Act relating to televisions, monitors, portable                                                                    
          computers, and similar devices in motor vehicles;                                                                     
          and providing for an effective date.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          HB 88 was POSTPONED.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB 158    An Act  providing for the licensing  and regulation                                                                   
          of private investigators and private investigator                                                                     
          agencies; and providing for an effective date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 158 was HEARD & HELD in Committee for further                                                                      
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 158                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act providing for the licensing and regulation of                                                                       
     private    investigators   and   private    investigator                                                                   
     agencies; and providing for an effective date.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze MOVED to  ADOPT work draft  #25-LS0442\K,                                                                   
Bullard,  4/4/07,  as the  version  of  the bill  before  the                                                                   
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM  MARTINSON, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  BOB ROSES,  explained                                                                   
that  HB 158  would  allow for  the statewide  licensing  and                                                                   
regulation    of    private   investigators    and    private                                                                   
investigating  agencies.    A   private  investigator  is  an                                                                   
individual who:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Investigates crimes                                                                                                     
   ·    Investigates the identify, business, occupation,                                                                        
        character of a person                                                                                                   
   ·    Investigates the location of lost or stolen property                                                                    
   ·    Investigates the cause of fires, losses, accidents,                                                                     
        damages or injury                                                                                                       
   ·    Secures evidence for use in Court                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Currently,  there  is  no  licensing  authority  for  private                                                                   
investigator  agencies in  the  State of  Alaska.   Forty-two                                                                   
states  nationally have  statewide  licensing and  regulatory                                                                   
laws that  increase education  and training requirements  for                                                                   
private investigators.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Martinson   continued,   the   bill   permits   current                                                                   
investigators,  licensed by  a  subsection of  the State,  to                                                                   
become  certified if  they have  been in good  standing  as a                                                                   
private investigator  or private agency before  July 1, 2008.                                                                   
If   passed,  the   legislation   would  require   continuing                                                                   
educational requirements for all licensees.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The  goal  of HB  158  is  to protect  customers  from  those                                                                   
investigators  with insufficient  credentials  by creating  a                                                                   
standard of operating procedures.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:47:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   ·    The differences between the Class A & Class B                                                                           
        licenses                                                                                                                
   ·    The number of private investigators currently                                                                           
        residing in Alaska                                                                                                      
   ·    If the bill would prevent licensees from other                                                                          
       states the right to come to Alaska to practice                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Martinson  explained  the  difference  between  the  two                                                                   
type's licenses:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Class A - the person would have to be at least 21                                                                       
        years old, passing a written exam, pay the required                                                                     
        fee and provide evidence of education or the                                                                            
        equivalent                                                                                                              
   ·    Class B - the applicant would have to be at least 18                                                                    
        years old, passing  the written  exam, pay  the fees,                                                                   
        with  a  high   school  diploma  or   equivalent  and                                                                   
        employed by  or have  an offer of  employment from  a                                                                   
        private investigating agency                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  inquired   if  there  was  an  accredited                                                                   
college in the State that teaches investigative work.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRES LEWIS, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR,  MENDENHALL INVESTIGATIONS,                                                                   
INC.,  JUNEAU,  advised  that   paralegal  programs  in  most                                                                   
colleges  teach  some  skills   necessary  to  be  a  private                                                                   
investigator.    The occupation requires  some book-learning,                                                                   
but is  mostly an  apprentice type  job.   He compared  it to                                                                   
police  officer training.   There  are  some private  schools                                                                   
that teach the work; it is generally a one year program.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  asked  if  the Class  B  licensure  would                                                                   
always be  an apprentice  program.  Mr.  Lewis said  yes, but                                                                   
the  person  would be  conducting  legitimate  investigations                                                                   
under supervision.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  asked  how   many  private  investigators                                                                   
currently  reside in  Alaska and  if the  bill would  enhance                                                                   
opportunities  for other  private  investigators  to come  to                                                                   
Alaska to work.   Mr. Lewis thought there  were approximately                                                                   
100 investigators currently residing  in the State.  The bill                                                                   
offers  specific language  limiting the  number of days  that                                                                   
person can  work in the  State.  He  noted the concern  rests                                                                   
with  firms   hiring  unlicensed  investigators,   ultimately                                                                   
offering "wholesale"  investigations & substandard  work.  He                                                                   
reiterated the need for control.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:54:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara inquired  the number  of private  versus                                                                   
the  number of  investigators  employed by  the  State.   Mr.                                                                   
Lewis  replied that  of the  100, approximately  seventy-five                                                                   
are self employed and would be exempt.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara questioned  why  a private  investigator                                                                   
would need to have a high school  diploma or equivalent.  Mr.                                                                   
Lewis  indicated the  need to  have  investigators with  high                                                                   
level writing skills in an industry that is report driven.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  advised that he has worked  with private                                                                   
investigators and did not think  it was important they have a                                                                   
high school diploma.   He stressed the need  for interviewing                                                                   
skills.   Mr. Lewis said that  there is always  the potential                                                                   
that someone could fall into any  category; however, the bill                                                                   
attempts to establish occupation standards.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked if the legislation  would regulate                                                                   
State investigators.   Mr. Lewis responded they  would not be                                                                   
held to the legislation's criteria;  most State investigators                                                                   
are apprenticed through the agency they work for.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  commented   that  he   did  not   mind                                                                   
professional  standards  for   investigators.    Most  Alaska                                                                   
private investigators  work on their  own.  In order  to work                                                                   
for someone else,  the person would have to have  the Class B                                                                   
license.   To get a Class  A license, that person  would need                                                                   
to work for three years under  supervision, @ 1,500 hours per                                                                   
year.  Mr.  Lewis maintained that the three  year requirement                                                                   
is not  exceptional.   Most states  have rules for  licensing                                                                   
and bonding, driven by insurance industry.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara could not  understand how the legislation                                                                   
would practically  work; he did  not believe that  there were                                                                   
enough statewide  agencies to  find work.   Mr. Lewis  stated                                                                   
that most of the seventy-five  members are qualified and meet                                                                   
the requirements  and they will  offer "training  ground" for                                                                   
the new investigators.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  if   most  currently  practicing                                                                   
private   investigators  had   worked  three   years  as   an                                                                   
apprentice.  Mr.  Lewis replied that most already  have their                                                                   
own  agency.     Representative  Gara  worried   about  that,                                                                   
commenting that  most private investigators did  not work for                                                                   
a  private agency  before  they "hung  their  shingle".   Mr.                                                                   
Lewis agreed;  however, at  some point  it is essential  that                                                                   
guidelines are established.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:04:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer asked about the  requirement that an applicant                                                                   
must have  three letters  of recommendation from  "reputable"                                                                   
citizens;  he asked what  reputable meant.   Mr. Lewis  noted                                                                   
that language had been written by the legislative drafter.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Hawker    referenced     the    fundamental                                                                   
qualifications, passing a written  examination offered by the                                                                   
Department.  Mr.  Martinson advised that could  be created by                                                                   
the  Division  of  Occupational  Licensing.    Representative                                                                   
Hawker questioned  what the State  knows about  the licensing                                                                   
of private investigators.  Mr.  Martinson expected that there                                                                   
would be  standards followed &  the Division could  establish                                                                   
the standard.   Representative  Hawker  pointed out  that the                                                                   
legislation does  not establish  any guidelines  to determine                                                                   
the standard.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:07:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  inquired if he  could qualify to  be a                                                                   
private  detective  given  his credentials.    Mr.  Martinson                                                                   
thought he could.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nelson referenced  discussion that occurred in                                                                   
the  House Judiciary  Committee regarding  past felonies  and                                                                   
one's   ability   to   be  "grandfathered"   as   a   private                                                                   
investigator.  She  worried about language on  Page 14, Lines                                                                   
11-14\K version.  Mr. Lewis explained  that language provided                                                                   
a transitional provision.  Representative  Nelson inquired if                                                                   
the  person could  obtain a  Class  B licensure.   Mr.  Lewis                                                                   
stated there are  general requirements that extend  over both                                                                   
Class A  & B licenses.   Under  the general requirements,  if                                                                   
convicted  of  a  felony,  the  person  cannot  have  a  past                                                                   
conviction  of a crime  of "dishonesty"  during the  20-years                                                                   
preceding their license application.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara recommended  that a  reasonable code  of                                                                   
ethics test should be present.   Mr. Lewis stated there is no                                                                   
code of ethics in the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker referenced  the  general framework  of                                                                   
the  legislation, noting  that Alaska  is only  one of  eight                                                                   
remaining states  that does not have legislation  in place to                                                                   
address private  investigator licensing.  He  agreed that the                                                                   
State  should  conform  to the  uniform  regulations  of  the                                                                   
industry.   Mr. Lewis  noted that  the original language  was                                                                   
written over six  years and based upon other  state statutes,                                                                   
and  that  HB 158  is  on  par with  legislation  from  those                                                                   
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker requested  "assurance" of  that.   Mr.                                                                   
Martinson  offered  to  provide   a  copy  of  the  licensing                                                                   
language  from the State  of Oregon.   Representative  Hawker                                                                   
asked if Oregon  was typical.  Mr. Martinson  said all states                                                                   
are similar, with  California being the most  "unique" & most                                                                   
complex.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker asked  why  the decision  was made  to                                                                   
place  the oversight  authority  directly  in the  Department                                                                   
rather than through a regulatory  board.  Mr. Lewis explained                                                                   
that creating  a board would increase  costs.  He  added that                                                                   
many   problems   with  investigators   usually   stem   from                                                                   
violations  of the law  and that  the annual education  would                                                                   
provide the opportunity to learn the rules.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:19:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK  URION, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF OCCUPATIONAL  LICENSING,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  COMMUNITY & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,  stated that                                                                   
the  State does  not believe  that the  licensing of  private                                                                 
investigators rises  to the level  of public protection.   If                                                                   
the Legislature determines that  they should be licensed, the                                                                   
Division is prepared to do so.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara pointed out  that there was  no language                                                                   
in the bill  indicating that if the private  investigator did                                                                   
something "terrible", they would loose their license.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker noted that  there are forty-two  other                                                                   
jurisdictions implementing the  legislation and asked if that                                                                   
carried influence.  Mr. Urion  did not know what was required                                                                   
in other states.   As it is today, the City  of Anchorage and                                                                   
Fairbanks authorize private investigators.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker inquired  what would happen if the duty                                                                   
was imposed upon  the Department to determine  the standards.                                                                   
Mr. Urion responded that Alaska  would pattern off of what is                                                                   
done in other states.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:23:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze noted  concern that  there are  no public                                                                   
safety  or  professional  standard   issues  covered  by  the                                                                   
legislation.    Mr.  Urion stated  that  everything  that  is                                                                   
needed is already grandfathered into the business.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  questioned  if  there  were  concerns                                                                   
outside   of  convicted   felons  practicing.     Mr.   Urion                                                                   
emphasized  that any investigator  for  the State of  Alaska,                                                                   
must have a zero tolerance felony record.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  asked how  many  other  states have  a                                                                   
private  investigator regulatory  board.   Mr. Urion  did not                                                                   
know.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  inquired if the 14-day  requirement was                                                                   
normal.  Mr. Urion did not know the standard.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:29:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker pointed out  the exemption  section of                                                                   
the bill  and asked if there  could be requirements  for dual                                                                   
licenses.  Mr. Urion anticipated that could be fixed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:30:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENISE  PETTY,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  PRESIDENT,                                                                   
ALASKA  INVESTIGATION  ASSOCIATION,   FAIRBANKS,  noted  that                                                                   
Alaska   has    no   regulatory   authority    over   private                                                                   
investigators.  She voiced concerns  that the legislation was                                                                   
viewed as  excluding the public's  ability to  protect itself                                                                   
when  needing   investigating  services.    She   noted  that                                                                   
supporting  the  legislation,  the  Committee  can  help  the                                                                   
industry remain responsible and  productive.  HB 158 provides                                                                   
accountability.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked if Ms. Petty initially  started on                                                                   
her own or worked for an agency.   Ms. Petty advised that she                                                                   
has a  paralegal degree  and worked  in an  office until  she                                                                   
opened  her  own   office  after  she  had   worked  under  a                                                                   
supervisor,  conducting private  investigations.   She  added                                                                   
that she now  meets municipal requirements and  does not work                                                                   
under   a   private  investigator.      Representative   Gara                                                                   
reiterated concerns  with the requirement in  the legislation                                                                   
to work for three years with a  private investigating agency.                                                                   
Ms. Petty  believed that  the bill  could place those  coming                                                                   
into the  profession at a  disadvantage; it is  difficult for                                                                   
another  investigator to  bring someone  in as an  apprentice                                                                   
with no incentive to do so.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:36:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH  AUSTIN,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  AUSTIN  &                                                                   
ASSOCIATES, PRIVATE  INVESTIGATOR, ANCHORAGE,  cited examples                                                                   
of  the need  to protect  the public.   He  commented on  the                                                                   
number of  licenses currently  held in  the State of  Alaska,                                                                   
some  of which  had  criminal  backgrounds.   He  offered  to                                                                   
answer questions of the Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara reiterated  concern with the  provisions                                                                   
of  the  bill and  asked  if  Mr. Austin  would  support  the                                                                   
legislation if it  made it illegal for someone  with a felony                                                                   
record to  hold a private  investigator license.   Mr. Austin                                                                   
responded  that was  one part  of  the concern  and that  the                                                                   
profession  requires continued  training and  education.   He                                                                   
thought that should be required.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   recommended  that  the  bill   be  held  in                                                                   
Committee  in  order  to  consider  the  concerns  voiced  by                                                                   
Committee  members.     Representative  Hawker   suggested  a                                                                   
significant rewriting of the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze pointed  out a  memo from the  California                                                                   
Association  requirements   for  the  private   investigating                                                                   
industry.   (Copy  on File).    Mr. Martinson  noted that  in                                                                   
order to  obtain insurance,  the person  must be licensed  by                                                                   
the State.  Vice Chair Stoltze  wanted to see that profession                                                                   
function "professionally".  Mr.  Martinson commented that the                                                                   
original  language  of the  bill  provided for  a  regulatory                                                                   
board; the language was removed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara hoped  to see a  proposal that  includes                                                                   
qualification  and ethical  guidelines  to  help protect  the                                                                   
public.   He suggested that the  language of the  bill should                                                                   
not discourage people from outside  Alaska to practice in the                                                                   
State.   Mr. Martinson pointed  out that there  are temporary                                                                   
licensing provisions included  in the bill.  They can qualify                                                                   
for a temporary license.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 158 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 45                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act  authorizing  the  Department  of  Military  and                                                                   
     Veterans'  Affairs  to  establish  and  maintain  Alaska                                                                   
     veterans'  cemeteries;   and  establishing   the  Alaska                                                                   
     veterans' cemetery fund in the general fund.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVID  GUTTENBERG,  SPONSOR,  commented  that                                                                   
Alaska veterans  deserve access  to a military  cemetery that                                                                   
honors their service  and recognizes their sacrifices.   On a                                                                   
per  capita  basis,  Alaska  has  more  residents  in  active                                                                   
military  service  than  any  other  state.    The  Veteran's                                                                   
Administration  (VA)   long  term  goal  is   to  provide  an                                                                   
operational cemetery within 75  miles of 90% of the veterans'                                                                   
in a state.   The nearest veterans' cemetery  to Fairbanks is                                                                   
Fort Richardson National Cemetery,  located 350 miles away in                                                                   
Anchorage.   HB 45  authorizes the  Department of Military  &                                                                   
Veterans'  Affairs  to  establish and  maintain  a  veterans'                                                                   
cemetery  with funds  from the  U.S.  Department of  Veterans                                                                   
Affairs State Cemetery Grants  Program.  Through the program,                                                                   
the Department of Military & Veterans  Affairs may be awarded                                                                   
up to 100%  of allowable costs for design,  construction, and                                                                   
operating equipment for an approved project.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker asked  about the  intent to  establish                                                                   
another special account in the  General Fund.  Representative                                                                   
Guttenberg  observed the  language was  recommended by  David                                                                   
Teal,     Director,     Legislative     Finance     Division.                                                                   
Representative  Hawker addressed  the receipt  of money  into                                                                   
the  Fund,  noting   that  the  Legislature   would  have  to                                                                   
authorize receipt authority for  every deposit.  He expressed                                                                   
concern  with dedicated  funds.   Co-Chair  Meyer noted  that                                                                   
there  are 85  [dedicated  funds] in  the  State of  Alaska's                                                                   
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:56:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA  KRAWCHUK,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  DAVID   GUTTENBERG,                                                                   
responded  to questions  by Vice  Chair Stoltze.   She  noted                                                                   
that  their office  had been  in contact  with the  Veterans'                                                                   
Council  and  the  legislation  did  receive  their  support.                                                                   
Representative  Guttenberg  added  that  the bill  would  not                                                                   
reduce any current programs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:59:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked if  statutory  authority  already                                                                   
existed,  creating a  fund to accept  gifts.   Representative                                                                   
Guttenberg  had  been  advised  that  a  fund  could  provide                                                                   
accounting for funds other than the General Fund.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:00:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA NACHTRIEB, (TESTIFIED VIA  TELECONFERENCE), VETERANS' OF                                                                   
FOREIGN  WARS (VFW), FAIRBANKS  testified  in support  of the                                                                   
legislation,  commenting that  it will  add good feelings  in                                                                   
the community.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:01:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HARRY  FIELDS,   VICE  PRESIDENT,  ALASKA   NATIVE  VETERAN'S                                                                   
ASSOCIATION, FAIRBANKS,  testified in support  of HB 45.   He                                                                   
asserted  that there  are a  lot  of veterans  living in  the                                                                   
Fairbanks area, and emphasized  the need for the legislation.                                                                   
He  maintained  that  veterans  cannot  afford  the  cost  of                                                                   
internment in private cemeteries; it can cost up to $9,000.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  reiterated his  concern  establishing                                                                   
separate funds.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas spoke  in support  of the  legislation                                                                   
and  observed that  Alaska  has one  of  the highest  veteran                                                                   
concentrations in the United States.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze MOVED  to REPORT  CS HB  45 (MLV)  out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara OBJECTED for  purpose of discussion  and                                                                   
questioned  if  the  Department   of  Military  and  Veterans                                                                   
Affairs' fiscal note should be  zero.  Co-Chair Meyer advised                                                                   
that there would be some costs involved to the Department.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  WITHDREW his OBJECTION.   There being NO                                                                   
further  OBJECTION,  CS  HB  45 (MLV)  was  reported  out  of                                                                   
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS  HB 45  (MLV) was  reported out  of Committee  with a  "do                                                                   
pass" recommendation and with  zero note #1 by the Department                                                                   
of  Administration,  new  zero  note  by  the  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation  & Public Facilities  and a new  indeterminate                                                                   
note by the Department of Military & Veterans Affairs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:12 P.M.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

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